I Hate, Yet Date, Assholes
And I don't know why.
In relationships, I have a very distinct pattern: start off superficial and flirty, or start off with a guy who isn't my usual attraction type, but seems genuinely interested in me. We laugh, we talk, we fuck, we comisserate. And in the end, it all ends up the same. He starts acting irritable, insecure, and pissy, looking for a fight, and I, knowing I haven't the patience to look beyond this immature behavior, cut my losses and run.
This is why I've never been able to establish anything meaningful with a guy yet. Behind the small talk, the held hands, the flirtiness, the touching, the canoodling, there's always something wrong. And it seems, pretty or ugly, I always end up dating the same guy: the selfish, immature, lurking jerk who wants me to fuck him and then fuck off for a week or two between fuckings.
After bouts of introspection and in an effort to sidestep this phenomenon, I've tried to mix it up as best I can. I've dated pretty boys and found them distasteful, and then switched to unusual-looking or average men. Same outcome. When I got fed up with the individual God complexes of the tall men I was with, I dated short men. Same outcome. The younger men I swapped for old, the exclusively high-school educated I traded in for collegiates, the white-collars I exchanged for blues, they all ended up the same. Is it them? The odds aren't stacked in my favor, that's for damn sure. And then that horrible feeling arises from the fact that the common denominator is... you guessed it: me.
What is wrong with me? Why can't I sustain a meaningful relationship longer than a few months (sometimes mere weeks) at a time? Is my patience for other people's shortcomings stretched so thinly that I scarcely give them a chance before writing them off as not worthy and promptly moving on? Am I so scared of falling into and out of love that I am willing to date slews of different men in an impossible quest to find the nonexistant one that I'll be satisfied with? Am I that far detached from the realities of relationships and the massive compromises of oneself that they require that my steely resolve to not lower my standards has yet to waver?
I am surrounded by dysfunctional relationships. And when the glaring flaws in those relationships between other adults comes to light, I secretly and smugly feel glad that I've never given up my strong sense of self in order to keep around a man I've somehow been poisoned by said relationship's security to believe I can't ever replace. Many friends have confided in me, post-breakup, that they envy my refusal to put up with the crap it takes to stay involved with someone who is deeply and irreparably flawed. But I find myself wondering, as I get older, if my refusal to bend will mean I will never know that kind f love. I don't miss it, since I've never had it before, but I do wonder if I am ignorantly foregoing something by remaining true to myself and refusing to tolerate some guy's shit just because he tells me I'm pretty.
(Quick aside here: the subtle psychological manipulations guys resort to when dating most often backfire when used on me. To wit, any time a guy I'm interested in waits three or more days to call me back, I assume he's lost interest and move the fuck on.)
Guys always say they want the smart, funny, kind woman who doesn't harbor lofty expectations (financial and otherwise) of them. But, if I look around, the guys invariably end up with this kind of woman, and this kind woman is always the one with a man on her arm. I tell myself, I'd rather be alone than be miserable in tandem, but these days, I wonder if I really, truly believe that.
In short, I'm torn. I want a meaningful relationship, but I haven't the patience or the willingness to compromise myself to the astounding degree that it takes to sustain one. I'm gun-shy from being given the cockpunch-worthy fadeout numerous times by guys who freaked out and assumed that by "Give me a call later", I meant, "I am sickly obsessed with the overwhelming awesomeness that is you, you stellar example of manhood, you! Give me your seed, right now, so we will be trapped together in blissful marital agony forever and ever and ever!" It's all too common an occurence, and I'm sick of getting the radio silence during which one suffers the gamut of emotions, going from "Wait a minute... is something going on?" to "Oh, sonofa... not this shit again!", to "Who the fuck does he think he is, not calling me?", to "Did I do something wrong?", to "Of course not, he's the prick", to "What a fucking asshole!"
I fucking hate the fadeout. If only because it leaves you reeling, wondering just when and how the fuck things went horribly wrong, and why in the fuck you-- smart, empathetic, and mature as you are-- didn't notice it.
There is a saying that goes, "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war", the attribution for which I'm totally at a loss [edit: it was Einstein. Sincere thanks to those who made mention of that fact.]. I wonder if a similar message applies to adult romantic relationships in these modern times. Or is it just me?
I hate dating, because the emotional turmoil just isn't worth it. But it's fun, too. Most of the time. Good times, great sex, lots of inside jokes and compliments. But I do want a boyfriend, because sometimes, nothing in the world feels better than having him next to you, naked under the warm blankets, spooning you and holding you close and softly kissing your hair as you drift off to sleep.
I just don't know how I'm ever going to keep one.




















50 Comments:
I don't know that it's necessarily you Av. From my limited experience, SoCal is full of an entirely mutated breed of wierd people. It's not just guys either. Some of the women there are totally effed in the head - which may actually be caused by dealing with the men there. Who knows. What I do know is that you shouldn't let it get you down and no matter what - don't settle for a mutated wierdo. Midwest boys are where it's at...
1/29/06 10:36 PM
*applause* now i don't feel so alone with my relationship pattern! i encounter VERY similar asshole-behaviour that u have described from those i date. to make a long story short, after a decade of dating, i've realized what is demotivating is the look i see on the guy's face after a few wks or a month in. that bewildered expression on their face that reads " i don't know what i'm gonna do with her!" since by now, they realize that all those qualities that attracted them to me are for real and are a defining part of my character. they thought it was cute that i have my own life and not velcroed to them but when they realized that i seriously don't sit around and wait for them to shape my life and exist to be their personal cheerleader, they realized they don't know how to deal w/ me. they thought it was so exciting to finally meet someone who have all these qualities they've always said they wanted from a girl but when they have it, they don't know how to deal with it and finds it unsettling and turns into 5 yrs old throwing tantrums in public. i've witness this process everytime - from excitment- endearing interest - euphoric happiness - doubt - fear - insecurity - picking fights/unreasonable picking on me. guess what lameass? u've just wasted my time and i hate inefficiency. btw, u've got a great blog going and i;ve been meaning to leave a note/email for a while now.. mostly as *applause* for your rants on the dating + sex obstacles (because finally, i'm not the only one!)
1/29/06 10:38 PM
Bravo very well said. I don't think that you should ever settle, because ultimately the only one that loses out is YOU.
So maybe I am the eternal optimist, but I've noticed that the less and less I put up with these guys and their shitty antics, the better the next guy that I come across.
Good luck in your quest.
1/30/06 3:32 AM
I don't recall how I found your blog, but I recently added it to my favs....Now I know why...I'm up at this ungodly hour blogging (but I kept MINE in drafts..I'm not so bold..)...about just this same thing...grrr...MEN!!! I'd come to the same conclusion as you had...that the common denominator here was ME...but well, you know...I really do think the other common factor is MEN...and that too is significant...Thanks for sharing your feelings...as a recent divorcee and new to the scene again....I feel much the same as you...sigh!! But like you, I will NOT settle for less...once was too much!! Good luck to ya....sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders to me!! :))
1/30/06 3:44 AM
i know it's so old-fashioned that it could be looked on as a new experiment, but upon meeting them, withhold sex for about a month or so just to see how much interest they have in only you as a person. i know how easy it is to blast this philosophy, but sometimes patience or lack of patience can reveal someone's true colors. i mean for all the great, positive social change that has taken place between the sexes, i think women still play at sex to get love and men play at love to get sex.
1/30/06 6:42 AM
I got tired of all the dating nonsense and took a hiatus. That was four years ago. It's more than likely not you. Guys are like going to Ross, you gotta wade through a lot of bullshit before you find something worth taking home.
1/30/06 6:51 AM
Brilliantly put, Av. I couldn't agree more.
The dating world is a cesspool of disappointment. I've dated men in the Rockies, the midwest, and California. I've dated men from all over the world. That men are fucked up, it is my educated opinion, is a universal fact (sorry, guys).
This isn't their fault. It's because society tells them "real men act like this" -- which leads to the ugly spiral of men feeling they have to act a certain way to be "men," and women thinking they have to act a certain way to *get* these "men." Only when enough of us stand up and say, "I'm not standing for this bullshit!" will we have a chance at changing the way things are. Keep fighting the good fight, Av!
This is also why I hate the notion that people should "wait" for sex -- if you're a mature adult who understands how to take sex for what it is (sometimes meaningful, but sometimes just plain fun), then you're not using it to get love. I'm all for people doing what they want. Case in point: I'm currently dating someone (it's going fairly well) who I slept with on the first date. Surprise, surprise, he still likes me!
1/30/06 7:07 AM
Finding someone whom you can actually maintain a relationship is tricky. And yes, it is harder if you are not willing to make gross compromises.
So here's my advice (though was it even asked for? Too bad you get it anyway), don't change. From what I can tell you are a strong and confident woman, not to mention smart. As such it will take a while to find a man strong enough to deal with that, but they are out there. And you'll know when you find one, just like he'll know that he has found you.
Trust me some guys out there, like myself, want the smart, strong and confident women. I got lucky enough to find one, so there is hope out there for all of us. Damn this sounds so bloody cheesy...but hell I believe it.
1/30/06 8:21 AM
Terrific post!
I don't think it is you.
There are far too many women who are going through the same situation (myself included).
1/30/06 8:33 AM
well said av.....but don't change who you are for anyone.
1/30/06 10:05 AM
I'm going to agree with everyone else in that it's a mistake to settle, and I'm like you in that I'd always rather be single than in the wrong relationship (even though 'single' seems to be akin to some terrible disease these days).
That said, not wanting to settle is NOT the same as not wanting to compromise. Of course you don't want to settle for someone who's going to treat you like shit, but on the other side of the coin, that one, perfect, flawless man doesn't exist. They're all human, they all have their faults (as we have ours).
Don't let your (impossibly?) high standards stop you falling in love.
Ps... If you think Americans are bad, don't touch a Brit with a bargepole. I swear our lot are even crazier than yours...
1/30/06 10:33 AM
I understand your frustration. A lot of guys are game-playing morons.
Don't play games. Don't settle. Don't worry about it being your fault.
When I was in high school, one of my teachers had each of us answer this question:
"I wouldn't date someone long enough to fall in love with them if they ___________."
We each went to the board and listed things like "smoked," "didn't smoke," "drank too much," etc ...
A lot of these things on the board were trivial, but the question stuck with me. I used it every time I dated someone.
I KNOW FOR A FACT I missed out on some really good sex by ditching some hot babes early because they just didn't measure up.
Years later, I wish I could have some of that pussy back. On the other hand, I'm glad I didn't get snagged by one of those young ladies either.
Nope, I was picky. And being picky paid off.
I ended up with the most perfect woman on the planet. And when I met her, I knew.
You can think this is Nora Ephron bullshit, but when you meet the right person it will be "magic."
All those game-players aren't perfect for anyone.
Look for someone who is as open and honest as you. He's out there somewhere.
1/30/06 10:48 AM
Yeah, what they said.
You're not the only one stuck in the dating cesspool.
You're not the only one confused when its just sex to you.
You're not the only one considering compromising just to have someone.
But you are obviously not the only one who thinks true love is out there, worth the wait, and worth being yourself for.
And if you get laid in the mean time, well, so be it.
1/30/06 11:34 AM
Okay...as I shared before, I am newly single after 26 years of marriage....sigh...so perhaps that qualifies me again for this 'group'(some of you seem to know one another already)....I've read through many of your blogs, and feel I have found a 'home' here...well, at least company that is encouraging for me at this time in my life....I also realize I'd read and enjoyed some of your blogs before, which is likely how I discovered this one..I'm impressed that you all have such a grip on reality at early ages....grrr...bravo for this generation...(hmm...could your parents, my age, no doubt, have been instrumental in any way? I sure HOPE so...I digress..sorry)...regardless...I'm happy that this generation seems to have a better grasp on 'reality' and are not so willing to 'compromise'....to me that word means 'giving up' something...I prefer to think that two people can accept one another 'unconditionally'....bringing to the table what both have to offer and creating something mutually satisfying....perhaps that does involve compromise...certainly we all can find within ourselves parts that we 'want' to 'give up' or 'accept' in another...but if compromise means loosing some significant part of yourself...then I say don't go there....I want to be loved for who I am....not some 'altered' version....especially 'created' for another's approval? Ya know?
I've tried not to think about this so much lately...my divorce was long and drawn out...so there are feelings/words that elude me at the moment....to give my full meaning here...but well...ha...it's NOT my blog anyway...I'll save it for my own....
Anyway....thanks again for your open, truthful sharing.....I needed to hear that others share feelings I can relate to...
1/30/06 11:37 AM
So what is it you're wanting from them, Avatar?
I've never understood the whole 3 day rule or whatever it's called. If I was into a girl I called her. If I grew tired of her I told her....
But then I've been out of the game for a few years.. maybe things have changed.
1/30/06 12:13 PM
lemme tell you one thing I've learned - when you try to date "under" you (the one that you think will finally be grateful to have someone that is such a catch and so much better looking, more succesful, whatever and won't fuck you around) he ends up thinking he's better than he is, or ends up being so fucking scared to lose you (as he knows you're much better than he deserves) that he will screw you over before you leave him.
They're all fucked.
What I have been looking for recently - an emotionally fulfilling relationship with a woman that allows me to continue fucking men. Is this possible?
1/30/06 2:11 PM
I'm hardly an expert on dating, having not taken very long before finding my wife. But my suggestion would be to simplify the whole thing--ask yourself (and maybe post for us) the things that you would be looking for if you were in a long-term relationship. In your mind's eye, what's the guy like, what does he do for you, how does he make you feel? What are the things you know make you NOT want to stick with someone, aside from them being douchebags who don't call.
Maybe I'm a rare breed, but I wouldn't stop calling you just because you gave it up to me. Someone who does that is just an asshole to begin with. But I can sure understand your frustration, guys are just dicks.
1/30/06 2:12 PM
The reason guys act like that is because they are insecure, and can't believe that a attractive woman such as yourself would have any interest in dating them. So they do a preemptive strike and make you hate them first so they feel better about themselves and can call you bad names later.
My worthless advice is to stop looking and let them find you.
1/30/06 2:39 PM
Poor Avatar... She comes to her blog followers with a life concern only to find out she is surrounded by the most jaded, cynical lot of souls on the internet! :D
1/30/06 2:58 PM
Well, it's been quite sometime since I've been in the dating game. But, perhaps this is a journey you can't set out to make.
Is it possible to try too hard?? BTW - your mystery quote ("simultaneously preparing for peace and war") is Einstein....
Keep the faith! A little bit of luck is also involved....
1/30/06 3:34 PM
av, the trouble is simply that you're smart, and sensitive.
the former is too rare in these parts, and when combined with the latter, well, it's a bit of a goose chase.
but you can't give in, you can't settle. you (we thinking, caring sentient beings) have to demand better behavior from everyone around you... we each lift each other up or drag each other down-- and those pricks need to be called to the carpet for their bad manners.
it's the hardest advice, but be patient... keep taking what you need from people, and give what you have in return... it sounds trite, but the right one turns up when you're not expecting it...
gawd, it all sounds like such b.s.... anyway, that's my two cents.
1/30/06 4:43 PM
oh yeah, I forgot to add one more thing. The last psycho (and I mean this, he was in therapy by the time i finally got my head out of my ass and left him) that broke my heart did such a good job of it that i bought my own place and got a dog. My intent was to focus on my career and myself and move back to my home city back east within a year. I also figured that at the very least, the puppy would get me out of the house and I wouldn't end up lonely and drunk at home every day by noon.
I wrote myself a "wish list" - you know, all of the things that your ex(es) didn't have and that you think is impossible to find but vow you will insist on if ever you are to commit yourself again?
Well, Long story short, I forgot about the list. I started online dating as a project while documenting all of the weirdos that I met online. The current Mr. Wonderful contacted me and was just "tooo" conservative and normal so I brushed him off and then finally gave in and said that if he really wanted to meet me, he could come to the dog park that day at noon. He actually showed up and we've been together ever since.
I found that wish list a couple of months ago and guess what - he hits 100% on every point. I think perhaps that by writing that list, I put the idea in my head of what I do and don't want and was better able to recognize it when it fell into my lap.
Well, that was a lot of drivel, wasn't it? I hope it was useful anyhow!!
1/30/06 6:13 PM
Joslik: As a matter of fact, I am considering a move out of this cesspool of shallowness and vanity. Where in the Midwest are you? ;-)
Sow: Thank you. Believe me, you're not alone. I agree: most guys 'round these parts don't know what to do with exceptional women.
Vixen: Thank you. Sadly, my experience has proven otherwise: the less and less I tolerate, the narrower the potential field grows.
Di: Thanks. And good luck to you, too. I sincerely hope you find what you're looking for.
ale8one: That apprach is not foolproof. And besides, it's only part of one manipulative game, the benefits of which aren't necessarily worth reaping.
A girl named Shawn: I like your analogy. Sadly, I've been wading through the muck for years, and I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that there's no treasure hiding in there.
The Law Fairy: Thank you. And thanks for the encouragement. I wholeheartedly agree with you re: the sexual tug-of-war. It's a ridiculous game.
Christopher Robin: Gosh! You certainly know how to make me blush. And no worries; I don't plan on changing anytime soon. Every so often, as out humanity dictates, I wistfully daydream about the "what ifs".
Lady K: Thank you. It's sad, isn't it? Perhaps we should unite and convince other women to stop encouraging bad behavior from the boys.
Normiekins: Thanks. And not to worry, I won't. Just a moment of weakness, is all.
Hannah: Hear, hear! Funnily enough, I have a thing for English men. Maybe I shouldn't...?
Used Hack: Agreed. And well said. I'm not into playing games or mincing words.
Miss Sassy: Amen to that! And very well said.
Di: No, thank YOU for sharing that. If it opens one person's eyes, it's worth it.
Munkeez: I appreciate the insight; I think it definitely rings true. As for your situation, well, I really have no idea. BTW love your internet dating follies... very entertaining!
Jundercover: You are indeed a rare breed. And thanks for the advice.
Nightmare: I like your perspective on it; very enlightening. And I think I might have already given up. For now, at least.
Blog guy: Yup, and a love them all just the way they are, bless their hearts!
Breeze: Thanks! I've edited it to reflect that. And I appreciate the good wishes.
The Bare Frame: Not B.S. at all. I do value your input, and I agree with you about people being held accountable for their actions.
1/30/06 6:16 PM
I feel your pain. 'nuff said.
Except, I must mention... the Midwest is NOT a solution! Trust me, I live here. Take all the problems w/ SoCal men and then add, "and he's a pro-life, anti-science, staunchly-Republican, "Promise Keeper"-in-the-making, close-minded Bible-thumper." Ick.
1/31/06 4:00 AM
Come to Dallas.
I know some people that I think you would get along well with.
And I even have a brother in law that you might like. ;) Only problem with hooking up with him would be you would have to like 6 months in Dallas and 6 months in Geneva each year.. :D
1/31/06 7:49 AM
"Vixen: Thank you....the less and less I tolerate, the narrower the potential field grows."
Av...I believe you may have provided yourself with the answer...'in the last analysis'....we desire just 'one', correct?! I presume he WILL come from a narrow, select group?! So perhaps by discarding the 'masses' of guys like the one(s) you've described...it WILL eventually narrow down to that 'one guy' who is ('potentially') just right for you...Maybe in the 'discarding'...you are closer than you think?!
1/31/06 8:59 AM
I don't think it's you either, it's a pain in the arse and I totally know where you are coming from, my mum used to say 'expect nothing and you will be suprised...' you know that old chestnut. Keep going on being true to yourself, you can't force things if you're not feeling it and anyway one person happy alone is better than two people trying to destroy each other. If you stick to your guns, you're more likely to find someone that suits anyway... take it easy and keep ya pecker up lady ;-)
1/31/06 9:32 AM
Regardless of what Bez says (which by the way I know of no men that fit that description and I've lived here in WI for all 30 of my years), I still say there are guys in the Midwest that would cure what ails ya. Have I mentioned I enjoy your blog? Have I mentioned I'm a shameless kiss-ass?
1/31/06 12:23 PM
What I learned:
1. Do not stay in an unhappy relationship. It's better to be single.
2. Communication and mutual caring is crucial. You should be able to tell him anything.
3. Most men don't know what they want until they turn 30. Same for women.
4. Most men just want sex. Not a girlfriend.
5. You get exactly what you put in - superficial gets you superficial, sex gets you just sex. Why not know him a little better before fucking him?
1/31/06 12:53 PM
Why is everyone assuming that I habitually sleep with guys I'm interested in on the first date?
That aside, allow me to repeat myself: the withholding approach is neither foolproof nor predictable. A guy can (and will, for a myriad of reasons) just as easily dump you after the first date as he can after the eighth.
1/31/06 1:09 PM
What a wonderful post.
Most men are selfish pricks. Many women go their entire lifes without meeting a nice one.
Your odds are slim.
We are a VERY selfish generation. It stands to reason we drive each other nuts.
1/31/06 3:22 PM
We/I can only draw from what you write as who you are. I know it's not an accurate portrayal.
I don't think it's the sex that dooms your potential relationships - maybe it's who catches your attention, or the circle of your socialization. I dare say that not everyone has the same likelihood of meeting you.
We meet people at all different kinds of places - parties, bars, clubs, gyms, bowling leagues, grocery stores. Instead of picking different kinds of people, how about picking from different places?
1/31/06 4:08 PM
Howdy, love your blog...yada, yada.
Most men are definitely selfish bastards. I can testify to that.
However, to really say anything meaningful, you have to go beyond just men.
Most people are selfish. It is an undeniably hard thing actually dealing with all the faults and tribulations each one of us brings to the table in a relationship. When you come down to it, it is simply hard when two selfish people try to engage in true sacrificial love -- the fundamental core to true love, in tandem with brotherly and passionate love.
So the point of writing? Eh. Good luck. Don't date assholes. Though we all tend to be assholes in our very special way. Accept faults up to a point if you like the person. Don't accept games or manipulations.
Try this. My father always told me my mom drives him crazy. But not in typical, boring schlock of the poor, beleagured husband who is just trying to survive the daily whimsies of his wife. No, his comments of being driven crazy were always made within the context of his devotion, love and admiration for his wife. So, in my own life I've come to figure this out. If you can be fundamentally enraged by your lover, and can grab them by the arms and shout at them, "God, I love you!" -- you're golden.
Love fetters the annoyances of life that make everyone else we know unbearable.
1/31/06 4:22 PM
like my penis, i'm going to give you the long and the short of it.
here's the thing, chicks dig confidence, but most guys aren't.
so some guys found out that cocky can simulate confident, these guys are assholes. girls fall for it and then realize they're with an asshole.
unfortunately assholes have evolved, now they can not only emulate confidence (though sheer cockery) but now they pretend to be nice guys by showing genuine interest.
here are a few ways to tell if a guy is the real deal (from a nice-ish guy)
1. he remembers things about you
2. he's doesn't try to impress you with cash
3. he doesn't use an "old" pick up line
4. when you talk to him talk about intelegent things (or intelectualize silly things) if he can't keep up or is put off he's faking interest
5. when you have sex, is it more about your enjoyment or him getting off?
1/31/06 7:09 PM
The whole damn thing is like watching a dog chase its tail. Pretty entertaining for a bit but by the end you're just dizzy.
2/1/06 6:22 AM
Ha!! It seems we've 'hit a nerve' here....I'm thinking the comments to this one blog could go on and on....
Thanks, Av...I'm 'enjoying the ride'...haha!!! :))
(Actually there ARE some very thoughtful, insightful comments...so I mean this sincerely...) :))
2/1/06 7:16 AM
Peace, wow, this is some blog. Is it me or does all these post basically say the same thing. Men are the blame and until they change we are all doomed. Actually the situation is much more deeper and complex than women are great and men are assholes. We have to look at the the dramatic change in the power relationship of men and women over the last 25 years. Also me being a black man, I look at the power relationship between black men and black women. Where else on earth does the women of a group make more money than their men. What does this mean? how do we deal with this? What does women see the role of a man being in a relationship? what does a man see the role of a woman being in a relationship? Until we answer some of these questions and deal with the real issues of repect, power, and materialism in a capitalist system we are kiddin ourselves dealing with symptoms
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2/1/06 7:55 AM
I've come to realize the modern dating dilemma is an amalgam of a few things. I think the huge shift in social roles and expectations has played a large role in basically confusing everyone. Societal roles and expectations aren't as black and white as they used to be regarding dating and marriage.
I think things around us are changing rapidly and we're not entirely cognizant of these changes and the effects on our lives because we're still holding on to outdated ideologies on dating and marriage.
Perhaps this is something more common to urban areas like LA and NYC as opposed to suburban areas in Missouri and Idaho.
I don't know if that makes much sense...but I definitely think it's a contributor.
Of course, you also have to look at the common denominator - you. I did that a couple of years ago and came to realize that I was having sex way too soon after meeting someone. Inevitably the relationship (if you'd call it that) never exceeded a few weeks and I was left wondering what went wrong. It took a while for me to recognize this behavior and it was so freakin' hard to change it, but in the end I found that things started going my way.
That's just me though. Everyone has to figure out what their 'thing' is.
2/1/06 12:07 PM
Rather than an amalgam, "the modern dating dilemma" seems to be one of the many effects leaping from the currently shifting tectonic plates in society. Dating itself is a cog in the true amalgam of society. We've seen a sure change in dating occuring in tandem with a change in society. Perhaps it's because I'm male, but I naturally think the big thing causes the little one.
Time's, they are a'changin'.
And Betty's right, our confusion (or the fact that most people who no clue what's going on with themselves or anyone else) arises from our inability to accept that roles, beliefs, and elevations of status are not stagnant. Primary in this is how men and coexist together - the appearance of patriarchal domination has been quickly disappearing, even as it still manages to hold on. Most people are experiencing culture shock. Aggression and passivity are now accepted as interchangable between genders - of course, not celebrated, but partly accepted.
And yet we still hear, "We need men to be men!" I think this post echoes that sentiment, a sentiment I agree wholeheartedly with. But, again, we have to go beyond a specific gender and ask, beg, demand for men and women alike to be responsible and courageous.
2/2/06 12:09 PM
Well I read through your original psot and the comments. It sounds like your relationship becomes physical too early in the initial stages.
While I agree that not having physical intimacy is no guarantee of the relationships longivity ..it does require greater interest on the guy to maintain it. So, I would suggest first to see what you have in common more before moving to the physical intimacy stage.
Kinda like when you make friends with the same gender intially, you do not call the person frequently or gab or visit them at their home for an extended period..it is a gradually process no matter how much you like the individual ..familiarity in the early stages often breeds contempt.
The other thing I wondered while reading through your post was what your reference point is for determining the level of a man's interest in you...men are different from women in how they display their interest..it is generally with actions (other than sex) much moreso than words. In short, it is everything he does for you AFTER he gets out the bed than what he does TO you in the bed that reflects a man's genuine interest in you as a person. And I am not talking about money. I mean how he invests his time and what he is willing to do when it comes to spending time together and being supportive of you as a person vs. a sex partner.
Men are not that different from women as human beings, they too want to be loved, respected and validated but too often nowadays females overlook that very real human need in men simply because they are males and do not go around verbalizing it constantly as "sensitive" females often do.
While I certainly, think you should not settle for less I also think they your selection criteria is not fine-tuned enough for you to wind up with so many jerks. The most essential thing about finding someone you mesh with is knowing what you want but more importantly need when it comes to a relationship and that boils down to your values.
My last comment is that many females miss the boat in terms of male/female relationships because they compete with men in an area of their life they choose not to have a competive spirit i.e. female relationships..men often want nurturing and loving relationships someone who is in their corner and wants to move forward in life with the same goals, not competing. He competes enough as a man in the world and is not looking for that in a mate.
The short way of saying that is...many young women also do not understand the difference between surrender and defeat. If you are competing you can be defeated but if you are loving in the relationship happiness is about surrendering to your mutual interests, passions and goals.
Peace
2/2/06 12:33 PM
De-lurking here....I don't have much to add, but someday love will happen for you :-)
2/2/06 4:17 PM
All I was gonna say is that I know exactly where you're coming from with this post, except for the fact that I'm male of course, so mine's a slightly different perspective on the same thing.
Yeah, something meaningful would be nice. That being as may, I don't want to simply 'settle' for a girl who'll say yes to me (and hell, they're few and far between because it's usually me who says 'thanks, but not on the market' when approached): I want what I want. Okay, so maybe that automatically labels me as an asshole. It's not like I have some unobtainable ideal in my head (no bleached assholes, virgin-whores, etc.).
So, I just stopped looking. And evey once in a while I might bump into someone and I'm content for a few months. We have our fun, we move on. I try to be a nice guy, a good guy, and I guess I've got the balance right 'cos we tend to stay friends afterwards.
But I doubt I'll ever meet 'the one'. I don't very many of us ever will.
2/2/06 9:15 PM
hmmm...in my experience guys can get very easily attached. i have told some these guys that i saw myself loving them in the future. but i also emphasized that i saw myself loving many more afterwards. maybe they liked the challenge of seeing if they can make a monogamous woman out of me, i don't know. but i emphasized that i wouldn't fuck him unless i felt a physical and emotional connection. however, i feel physical and emotional connections with maybe 2 or 3 guys at the same time. my brother says that's just a cheap justification to stop these guys from laying a claim on me and strangling me for attempting to have my own harem.
in any case, you're only 27. you'll find someone when you least expect it. while i'm single for tax purposes, i haven't really been alone since i was 22 so maybe i have nothing of owrth to say about your situation. but rest assured, you're actually much better off than my marries sisters. there are far worse things than being single.
2/2/06 10:43 PM
God, it's true what they say. You'll know when you meet them. For me, I met him years ago, but the timing was never right so I didn't know he was the ONE until we found each other again after almost 15 years. It's weird. I'm completely happy with him. I can't wait to see him. I can't wait to talk to him. 22 years later and I finally found him.
Don't settle. The right one will come along before you even know he's there.
2/4/06 1:46 PM
I'd have to agree with Exile. The illusion of confidence and nice-i-ness can woo a woman for only so long, long enough to get through a couple dates. But real confidence is also frightening if you yourself are not confident in your daily life. I am both scared and attracted to confident girls. It might seem like they don't need you. From a guy's perceptive, I'm dealing with the same thing, although I don't date as much, I'm probably scared of rejection.
2/9/06 8:08 AM
OK... i am a man... but I seem to have a quite strange opinion to that all...
When I read your experiences, I have no wonder, why there is no other man to be found except assholes. It seems, that today a man likes a quick hustle but does not want to really "feel" you. I mean: I man that focusses solemnly on the sexual side of a relationship will soon be very bored. How many positions can you try out? How many orgasms can you have until sex starts to get boring? The thing that makes sexual encounter really be something to you is the relationship, that you have built before...The "feel" you have for your partner,... the warmth, that comes up inside, when you see her/him...the trust that holds you together...well...just what I call love...
Many men are not taught to see a worthful person in their opposite female. They have been pampered by their moms (who often enough had their sons as "substitute husbands", not sexually, but emotionally...) and expect this to go on like normal with a girl "of their own". If sex is the first step to a relationship, they've already got something, that normally comes last to it. Because it is an expression of love, not the key to it. How come, that the positions are taken so quickly and the guys are sitting on the couch and fart...? They don't know, that it is WORK to keep a relationship going. They think "mamma girlfriend" will spoil them on and on. And if you offer your sexualaity too quickly to them, they quickly think: "That was easy! There won't be any major surprises left over for me here..."
Maybe I am too "old fashioned" but to pop with a guy on a first evening meeting him, im my eyes reduces the worth of a woman in his eyes.
It is all about your dignity our task to recognize it...
2/16/06 7:17 AM
//Maybe I am too "old fashioned" but to pop with a guy on a first evening meeting him, im my eyes reduces the worth of a woman in his eyes.//
Good god... "Maddona/Whore", much? Jeezus. If a man is immature enough to brand a woman he sleeps with as a whore, yet think he's none the worse for engaging sex on the first date ("she's a whore, but I'm not a whore, even though we both did the same thing"), that's the sort of asshole to whom I will happily say goodbye.
In fact, from now on, I will not date any more guys who let me fuck them the first time, as obviously they're dirty sluts. Oh, and If I force myself on a well-dressed guy with a nice body, it'll be his fault too, since he was clearly asking for it.
Do us all a favor, you chauvunists, and peddle your antiquated notions of sexuality elsewhere.
4/4/06 3:01 PM
You might have an anxiety disorder or a type of OCD. Consider talking to a doctor or counsellor. If you haven't already, consider that your trouble with men, the emotional turmoil you create and your single status are symptoms of a problem that you can't fix with your own analysis and games of mental tug of war. So far you haven't been able to fix what's wrong, which is proof that without outside help things may never get better. Sometimes we think that we're so complex and clever enough that we can outsmart ourselves and solve our own problems. But that isn't always the case. To put it another way, if your car has been spewing blue smoke from its tail pipe for the past month, you would automatically take it to a professional mechanic. You probably wouldn't wait to see if it was able to fix itself. Sometimes people are not that different.
8/25/06 2:11 PM
You think I have OCD? Oh, that's so baseless and far-fetched. Ten bucks says you haven't a clue what you're on about. In fact, I'd venture a guess that what you suffer from is a Messiah complex.
Keep your advice. Please.
8/25/06 7:02 PM
Maybe if you stopped fucking so vicariously your suitors wouldn't become pricks as the mystery wears thin.
Your blogs sound as though I could have written them myself (10 years ago), so please take no offense to my comment. I have seen it all and fucked it all. No one better than me can tell you where you're going wrong. I used to think I was the ultimate player. I realize now that in most instances, I was actually the one getting played--no matter how much I tried to tell myself otherwise.
10/19/07 12:27 PM
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